tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post148971273687462146..comments2024-02-10T05:49:43.712-03:00Comments on Scammed Hard!: Federal Jobs Update! Class of 2011 is Screwed!Scammed Hard!http://www.blogger.com/profile/01044898077026675015noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-43012265887490450072019-07-07T12:24:20.288-03:002019-07-07T12:24:20.288-03:00Really useful article thanks for sharing
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I will be mindful of this on my next job hunt.Washington DC Lawyer Jobshttp://www.bcgsearch.com/legalmarketsinfo.php?id=31noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-65179371487246282522013-02-04T12:18:48.203-03:002013-02-04T12:18:48.203-03:00One law school graduate's attempt to find a fu...One law school graduate's attempt to find a fulfilling career in spite of ... (Though perhaps some of the more critical readers of my blog postings may easily see the reason.) ... Now, this blog isn't Esq. Never's therapy session to recount his ... I saw a comment on JD Underground the other week alleging this ...<br /><a href="http://www.JDHUNTR.com/" rel="nofollow">Legal Jobs In House Jobs,Law Jobs, Attorney Jobs, Legal Jobs In House Jobs</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07612580641181050281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-81918424798955651722010-08-10T13:07:17.678-03:002010-08-10T13:07:17.678-03:00Nice work. I'm going to link to it on my JDSc...Nice work. I'm going to link to it on my JDScam list of articles.Frank the Underemployed Professionalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00461791753886733576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-3494307783334112412010-08-09T18:39:24.453-03:002010-08-09T18:39:24.453-03:00This was the worst part of the scam for me too. T...This was the worst part of the scam for me too. The apologists generally use strawmans and claim everyone wanted the Big Law $160k jobs, when that is not possible for 99% of law students. I wanted a middle class life and a $50k a year salary to start for me seemed like a near fortune, even with student loan payments I knew I could swing that.<br /><br />Thanks for the statistics though, it's nice to see that I'm obviously not alone in my predicament. I was always a nice guy and very sympathetic to other people, now I admit I am becoming callous and indifferent to others. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anybody else that gets shafted, as long as my situation is fine. I used to wonder how a victim in an oppressed group could turn around and then oppress another group, and now I understand perfectly. When life fucks you over, you turn around and fuck everyone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-52424913987114668992010-08-08T16:20:26.549-03:002010-08-08T16:20:26.549-03:00"* Justice: Seeking 160, will interview 600-7..."* Justice: Seeking 160, will interview 600-700. Last year, 211 out of 4,121 were hired! 5.12%."<br /><br />From the handbook: "This is the DOJ’s only entry-level hiring program for 3Ls, JLCs, and LLMs."<br /><br />DOJ would indeed be, numerically, a 3L's "best bet," but 200 jobs for 45,000 students is really just a (tiny) drop in the bucket.<br /><br />"Never mind that the feds are flush with extremely-credentialed private sector refugees, or as my buddy at the DOJ says, 'we’re flush with Skadden/Yale hybrids so students are getting shafted.' "Scammed Hard!https://www.blogger.com/profile/01044898077026675015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-65307011684383288192010-08-08T15:16:09.244-03:002010-08-08T15:16:09.244-03:00Not that it's going to turn this into a rosy p...Not that it's going to turn this into a rosy picture all of a sudden, but you did forget to mention the DoJ. I imagine the bulk of government attorneys are prosecutors for either the federal government or some state or local unit.<br /><br />Still, adding them in, I'd expect you'd only have jobs for at most 3-4% of graduates.BL1Yhttp://bl1y.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-25121834239818042822010-08-07T16:01:49.569-03:002010-08-07T16:01:49.569-03:00No matter how you work the math, the overarching p...No matter how you work the math, the overarching point of my post is that there are actually very few entry-level federal attorney jobs available to any given graduating class. With ~45,000 JDs graduated every year, the federal government will be the employer of only a tiny fraction of a percent of these graduates, and disproportionately those with stellar academic credentials from top schools (which is, again, NOT the vast majority of these thousands of grads). <br /><br />Contrast this with the lines given out at career services offices around the country, media pieces about "career prospects for lawyers," or just common 0L perceptions. So many people go in with the mindset that if they can't land biglaw, there is always a fallback in the feds. That is probably true for above-median students at T-14 schools, who at least had a fighting chance at fed attorney jobs. It's disingenuous, to say the least, for law school administrators and career counselors to pitch these federal honors programs as realistic ways for the thousands of their unemployed 3Ls to find employment.Scammed Hard!https://www.blogger.com/profile/01044898077026675015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-30229588196091146852010-08-07T14:59:39.483-03:002010-08-07T14:59:39.483-03:00What happens if/when the Federal government goes b...What happens if/when the Federal government goes bust - bankrupt - and won't even be able to afford to get their troops home from abroad?<br /><br />http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/28/the-year-america-dissolved-2017/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-81820418603328991212010-08-07T14:21:45.538-03:002010-08-07T14:21:45.538-03:00Ah, thanks for pointing that out.
Sorry I missed ...Ah, thanks for pointing that out.<br /><br />Sorry I missed that tidbit in the post.<br /><br />I still think using the individual percentages might be problematic. I don't know if they really impart much information because it is hard to tell which people overlap.<br /><br />However, I think it might be slightly informative if there were some way to do a ratio of total federal jobs divided by total graduates. Though, the problem with that is that not every graduate is in the pool of people who desire federal jobs. I guess in all, it's just hard to create an accurate picture.<br /><br />Enjoy the weekend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-90582150357243067152010-08-07T13:42:55.633-03:002010-08-07T13:42:55.633-03:00"Also, I realize that there is probably signi..."Also, I realize that there is probably significant overlap between some of the applicants, wherein a single student will have applied for multiple positions at different agencies. Having no way to gauge this, I'm presenting each entity's numbers independently, as they themselves report them."Scammed Hard!https://www.blogger.com/profile/01044898077026675015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-61766544393550576452010-08-07T02:40:13.065-03:002010-08-07T02:40:13.065-03:00The percentages are problematic because almost nob...The percentages are problematic because almost nobody only applies to one job.<br /><br />So, for example, if you have a person who really wants to work for the EPA, that person would probably apply to all the different regions. Many of the applicants were probably duplicates.<br /><br />As a very very simple demonstration, say there are 20 students in your class. They all want to work for the FBI. They apply to 5 different field offices.<br /><br />NYC: takes 2 agents out of 20 applicants.<br />LA: takes 1 agent out of 20 applicants.<br />DC: takes 2 agent out of 20 applicants.<br /><br />If you didn't know that those applicants all overlapped, you would've thought that the chances of landing an agent job are less than 2 out of 20. But factoring in that all those 20 applicants overlapped, you can see that the success rate was 5 out of 20. That's a significant shift.<br /><br />Likewise, I think there would be a significant shift in the context of the numbers you posted if you were somehow able to factor in the overlapping applications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-44094673586064418192010-08-06T20:36:39.535-03:002010-08-06T20:36:39.535-03:00U of AZ just provides all of the job postings in o...U of AZ just provides all of the job postings in one convenient location. In each posting, the agencies themselves state what last year's hiring/applications looked like. Some are more thorough than others (hence some have no reporting at all). I just clicked through each posting, added them up, took their hiring numbers for last year, and made the list. I calculated the percentages because it's hopefully much more eye-opening to the typical law student to see that they have a 0.04% chance of getting said job.Scammed Hard!https://www.blogger.com/profile/01044898077026675015noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-55100107444209626312010-08-06T19:23:38.967-03:002010-08-06T19:23:38.967-03:00State and local governments are going through more...State and local governments are going through more rounds of painful job cuts. Plus, these positions pay less than federal jobs. <br /><br />Thank you for publishing these figures! I am glad the University of Arizona provided the figures, including the odds. Is this available in PDF format, and could you include a link, so that others can access this info? <br /><br />The Class of 2011 will be in for a rude awakening - if they are not already onto the game.Nandohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06423524039657355134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-45283256646322446282010-08-06T19:22:55.119-03:002010-08-06T19:22:55.119-03:00"State and local government?"
See "..."State and local government?"<br /><br />See "salary freeze" and "hiring freeze"<br /><br />In case you had your head in the sand, an overwhelming majority of states are in the red. Hiring lawyers is not a fiscal priority and if anything, expect more attorney layoffs from state and local agencies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-25492603836636460262010-08-06T19:22:07.563-03:002010-08-06T19:22:07.563-03:00State and local government, good luck with that as...State and local government, good luck with that as they all slash their budgets and initiate hiring freezes.<br /><br />Even then, they're a hell of a lot smaller than the feds, so you might see a sprinkling of one position here, two there, etc. Nowhere near enough jobs, in any case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-57888782764618541052010-08-06T19:11:44.715-03:002010-08-06T19:11:44.715-03:00State and local government?State and local government?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-38444420551969021642010-08-06T18:01:32.800-03:002010-08-06T18:01:32.800-03:00If you didnt go to a Top 10 school you are wasting...If you didnt go to a Top 10 school you are wasting your time. The IRS is stocking up on NYU biglaw rejects like crazy and the SEC doesnt care what you did at GW.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2534881846878881386.post-36712557834786558252010-08-06T16:59:47.183-03:002010-08-06T16:59:47.183-03:00Wow those numbers are awful. And to think only 10-...Wow those numbers are awful. And to think only 10-15 years ago, it was easy to get a DOJ Honors gig in the anti-trust division in NYC coming out of a lowly Tier 1 school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com